Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:40372 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 26589 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 19:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 19:22:05 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.163 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.163 il-gw1.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.163] ([212.25.124.163:26646] helo=il-gw1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 89/DA-13670-B5B75C84 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:22:05 -0400 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by il-gw1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:23:12 +0300 Received: from [192.168.16.110] ([192.168.16.110]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:23:09 -0700 Message-ID: <48C57B9D.5080805@zend.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:23:09 -0700 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lukas Kahwe Smith CC: Dmitry Stogov , Greg Beaver , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <486FA5FB.1000300@php.net> <48C55855.4080602@zend.com> <48C5668E.7040503@zend.com> <45212116-55A0-4683-8BF7-E3723637158D@pooteeweet.org> In-Reply-To: <45212116-55A0-4683-8BF7-E3723637158D@pooteeweet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2008 19:23:09.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[54021FC0:01C911E8] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: towards a 5.3 release From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > initial hard work of trying to do something new). Especially in this > sense I would recommend all people on this list to make sure they use > language that encourages people from coming out of the shadows on this > topic, rather than scaring them off. I can only second that. But on the other hand, I think we should also take proposals for change on this stage with a grain of salt - when you using a new tool, there's always a moment when you are tempted to say "ah, this works different way from my old tool, why is that? It should work the same way, because it's the only natural way!" but it feels natural only because you are used to work with an old tool and not necessarily because it's better. It is very hard to know the "you'll thank me later" situation until the later happens, but sometimes it's exactly that. Sometimes it isn't, of course :) -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com