Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:40354 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 69705 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 17:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 17:39:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=sv_forums@fmethod.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=sv_forums@fmethod.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain fmethod.com from 69.16.228.148 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: sv_forums@fmethod.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 69.16.228.148 unknown Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from [69.16.228.148] ([69.16.228.148:33742] helo=host.fmethod.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 53/18-33249-E3365C84 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:39:11 -0400 Received: from [83.228.56.37] (port=1084 helo=pc) by host.fmethod.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kckhg-00081Y-6h for internals@lists.php.net; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: To: "PHP Developers Mailing List" References: <486FA5FB.1000300@php.net> <48C56140.7040102@zend.com> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:39:02 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.fmethod.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fmethod.com Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: towards a 5.3 release From: sv_forums@fmethod.com ("Stan Vassilev | FM") > Hi! > >> So I'd say, make it explicit and remove the vague moment. > > Do I understand right that you advocate having to use ::Exception each > time you need the internal class? As I said: "I heard lots of objections how ugly it is to prepend everything with "::" (not that this is the only possibly syntax), but it increasingly is becoming apparent that the automatic resolution is bound to have either bug-prone or performance issues, so why introduce a "trap" in the language that people will continuosly fall into?" In other words: everyone is saying that "for those of us who need performance or avoid resolution problems, can use ::, and the rest..." --> who are those the rest, which don't care about performance and resolution problems? What is YOUR suggestion? Just tell us how hilarious it is to type "::" and introduce all the other problems anyway. Furthermore, the "::" (or rather I'd make it "php::") would only be required in a namespace. For the procedural folks which don't put code in a namespace, they're already implicitly in "php::" so they can continue writing things exactly like thay do now.