Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:40298 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 8232 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2008 06:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 06:15:48 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 88.198.8.16 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 88.198.8.16 bigtime.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [88.198.8.16] ([88.198.8.16:43568] helo=bigtime.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B0/90-05003-21022C84 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:15:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA4C1EBC015; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 06:16:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at backendmedia.com Received: from bigtime.backendmedia.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bigtime.backendmedia.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z7LQWLBglW6P; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:16:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.176] (77-57-23-243.dclient.hispeed.ch [77.57.23.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mls@pooteeweet.org) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034601EBC014; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:16:55 +0200 (CEST) Cc: PHP Internals List Message-ID: To: Lukas Kahwe Smith In-Reply-To: <0E6B0C09-99C4-4843-A8E6-0B015EB98B4E@pooteeweet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:15:32 +0200 References: <0E6B0C09-99C4-4843-A8E6-0B015EB98B4E@pooteeweet.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace RFC From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On 31.08.2008, at 15:37, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > Hello all, > > All the recent discussions about namespaces, have left many of us > wondering if our implementation is rock solid or not. However the > discussions were not really well organized. This is why I am > thankful that Marcus and Felipe have spend the better part of this > Sunday to write an RFC [1] that hopefully summarizes all the key > concerns. Also they have created a patch that they feel addresses > the concerns. > [1] http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespacecurlies I have also asked in my blog about practical experiences from people using PHP 5.3.0 with namespaces in development: http://pooteeweet.org/blog/1288 The gist in the first 2 responses seem to be that they are ok with the current state of things. Anyways, anyone who cares should make their opinion known on this list as clear as possible by Monday (if someone is aware of a good discussion outside of internals please also let us know), so that Johannes and I can make a decision no later than Tuesday without having to feel like dictators. Personally at this point I would leave things as is for now, move to beta and hope that this also increases the number of end users testing and giving feedback. While I hope that we dont have to do big changes after going to beta, if feedback makes it necessary, we obviously have to accept it. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith mls@pooteeweet.org