Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:39933 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 89604 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 22:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 22:12:01 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 88.198.8.16 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 88.198.8.16 bigtime.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [88.198.8.16] ([88.198.8.16:42992] helo=bigtime.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 99/F4-63398-A2C53A84 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:11:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B5F4144009; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:13:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at backendmedia.com Received: from bigtime.backendmedia.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bigtime.backendmedia.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b3NT2U4MP7+T; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:13:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.151] (77-57-23-243.dclient.hispeed.ch [77.57.23.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mls@pooteeweet.org) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E154144006; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:13:41 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Marcus Boerger , internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: <0D64C8C4-2136-4D6B-9EBD-B5956C3044FC@pooteeweet.org> To: Stanislav Malyshev In-Reply-To: <48A34180.8070601@zend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:09:52 +0200 References: <909776579.20080803142659@marcus-boerger.de> <840985F2-A701-4BE4-91F6-F6B39048CF9B@pooteeweet.org> <48A09FF4.1030101@zend.com> <7f3ed2c30808111411t51553771j389f05c3436bc625@mail.gmail.com> <48A0C415.9090104@zend.com> <48A0D579.2000000@zend.com> <48A0DBAE.2010401@zend.com> <496879481.20080812153636@marcus-boerger.de> <279600845.20080812225135@marcus-boerger.de> <1218621323.4926.1.camel@localhost> <1341995942.20080813152134@marcus-boerger.de> <1218634532.4926.5.camel@localhost> <1714092517.20080813194342@marcus-boerger.de> <48A32817.4020105@zend.com> <10910129111.20080813213721@marcus-boerger.de> <48A33D86.1010806@zend.com> <59637275.20080813221213@marcus-boerger.de> <48A34180.8070601@zend.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Inconsistencies in 5.3 From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On 13.08.2008, at 22:18, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Simply include a script from two locations with different namespaces > or one >> >> with namespace and the otherone without. > > I'm afraid you misunderstand how namespaces work. As I explained > numerous times, namespaces are file-local, and this when including > file, it does not matter a bit what was including context. I think Marcus is talking about files that are included that do not specify a namespace explicitly. In this situation the context does matter. We do not know if the developer in question is aware that the context would matter in this case. Actually like I said in a previous email it would be nice to at least not throw a warning if the file that is included specifies an explicit namespace (I assume that is possible?). Maybe adding a new "include" is a solution. This way developers can say explicitly what they want to do without having to suppress the warning. Then again quickly some smartass developer is going to teach people that these annoying warnings go away if you just use this new include everywhere. Then again, I am not sure if I even have my head wrapped around this entire namespace thing. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith mls@pooteeweet.org