Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:39895 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 6580 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 16:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 16:59:18 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.163 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.163 il-gw1.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.163] ([212.25.124.163:9682] helo=il-gw1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 64/78-04075-561C1A84 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:59:18 -0400 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by il-gw1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:00:06 +0300 Received: from [192.168.16.110] ([192.168.16.110]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:00:02 -0700 Message-ID: <48A1C193.7020202@zend.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:00:03 -0700 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcus Boerger CC: Elizabeth M Smith , internals@lists.php.net References: <909776579.20080803142659@marcus-boerger.de> <840985F2-A701-4BE4-91F6-F6B39048CF9B@pooteeweet.org> <48A09FF4.1030101@zend.com> <48A0CC99.4020006@zend.com> <628549763.20080812023641@marcus-boerger.de> <48A0DD18.3090404@zend.com> <1841282503.20080812114901@marcus-boerger.de> In-Reply-To: <1841282503.20080812114901@marcus-boerger.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2008 17:00:02.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCB00500:01C8FC9C] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Inconsistencies in 5.3 From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > LOL, That pretty much defeats the whole KISS approach. I suggest we drop > that after all then. PHP always had some areas that are not as simple as others (references for one). Maybe we should just close the project and go play Tetris? That's very unproductive position - "do it as I want or remove it". I think it would be just insane to drop perfectly working, much needed and announced feature - because Marcus Boerger doesn't like the looks of the syntax. I don't understand how we even could discuss it here. > That 'not use it then' has always and every single time in the past let us > to drop the feature in question. That's bullshit. Each feature has the right way to use it and wrong ways. If we drop each feature that can be misused, we won't have any features left. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com