Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:39890 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 95609 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 16:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 16:18:55 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=steph@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=steph@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 64.99.136.133 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: steph@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.99.136.133 smtprelay-virgin0133.hostedemail.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [64.99.136.133] ([64.99.136.133:52842] helo=smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 57/36-04075-EE7B1A84 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:18:55 -0400 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay05.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BF324FC862; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:18:52 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2,0,0,f74235ff97f2135a,609143606a5ea973,steph@php.net,,RULES_HIT:355:379:539:540:541:542:543:567:599:601:945:973:988:989:1155:1156:1260:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1587:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2073:2075:2078:2198:2199:2379:2393:2553:2559:2562:2731:2828:2898:3027:3353:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:4250:5007:6119:6261:7875:7901:7903:8660,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none X-session-marker: 73746570682E666F78 Received: from foxbox (host86-130-69-41.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.69.41]) (Authenticated sender: steph.fox) by omf11.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <026d01c8fc97$4e3f4650$4501a8c0@foxbox> To: "Antony Dovgal" Cc: "Pierre Joye" , "php-dev" References: <4892E15D.1080004@daylessday.org> <48A19D61.6080502@daylessday.org> <48A1A631.20506@daylessday.org> <01da01c8fc8d$d3249f00$4501a8c0@foxbox> <48A1ABFA.6080701@daylessday.org> <020201c8fc92$f95d86a0$4501a8c0@foxbox> <48A1B49B.8010608@daylessday.org> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:20:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] enabling everything by default From: steph@php.net ("Steph Fox") > I assigned it to me in order to keep track of it. Ack, it's not a *problem*, I'm very glad someone's doing that. Just this time it meant there was an open Phar bug that none of the Phar team knew existed for the last few weeks. >> We've had two alphas and a beta release between March and now, and >> another beta release is planned in PECL shortly. (In fact I had hoped it >> would be this week, since Greg's now able to communicate again.) I think >> 5 months is a reasonable length of time for an extension to be in >> alpha-beta, personally. > > You can't call it alpha, continue active development for two months and > then call it stable, that's pointless. The first beta release was in May. There's been no active development since Dmitry's 'Phar week', and aside from that there's been no active development since June. > The diff since March is more than 1Mb, it's a different extension already. Try a diff since the last beta release. I think you'll find most of it's either whitespace or tests - the remainder shouldn't add up to much. >>> At this moment I don't see any reasons to call ext/phar "stable", >>> therefore it should not be enabled by default. >> >> PHP_5_3 is also not called "stable" at this point. It'd be a different >> matter if it were. > > Correct. > But they don't install it by default on all computers. Exactly :) so there's no problem in having an extension in beta alongside it. - Steph