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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Inconsistencies in 5.3
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Andi,

Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:29:33 PM, you wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stefan Priebsch [mailto:stefan.priebsch@e-novative.de]
>> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:29 AM
>> To: Hannes Magnusson
>> Cc: Dmitry Stogov; Marcus Boerger; internals@lists.php.net
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Inconsistencies in 5.3
>> 
>> Hannes Magnusson schrieb:
>> > I don't think anyone but him likes multiple namespaces per file. I do
>> > remember a PhD thesis sized mail from him explaining why multiple
>> > namespaces per file was needed though (can hardly believe anyone read
>> > the whole thing..).
>> 
>> In some deployment processes, multiple PHP files are merged together
>> into one file. Symfony, for example, does this, at least optionally.

> We were not big fans of this but were convinced that for these
> frameworks it'd be reasonable. We agreed that we would make sure people
> understand that using multiple namespaces per-file is not a best practice
> and is discouraged from non-generated code.

> Re: braces, I don't think it's a big deal but I would prefer without
> braces. Given that I think people should only have one namespace per
> file, the braces is a PITA because it already starts you off in an
> additional layer of indentation. We all know that whitespace does matter :)

I fail to see a connection here and any decent editor that does
auto-indentation can be configured to not do so for select structures and
usually people do so for namespaces.

> Also another reason to not have braces because then it then makes sure
> that you don't go back into a global namespace and it is truly only used
> in these framework concatenation use cases.

This can easily be addressed in the parser.

> Btw, I am both a C++ and Java developer and it honestly doesn't confuse
> me either way. I do prefer the "namespace" keyword because for me
> personally it better reflects what we have here. I always associate
> package with something that maps more directly to files but again, this
> could just be my own bias and I am sure I would get used to either very
> quickly. In general, people will always have pre conceived notions re:
> names but I have learnt that once a name is picked people will get used
> to them very quickly. This is true for most naming in life incl. personal life :)

> Andi



Best regards,
 Marcus