Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:39541 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 86177 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 14:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 14:34:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=chrisstocktonaz@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=chrisstocktonaz@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.46.30 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: chrisstocktonaz@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.46.30 yw-out-2324.google.com Received: from [74.125.46.30] ([74.125.46.30:11581] helo=yw-out-2324.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 57/09-39007-60F13984 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:34:47 -0400 Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so551717ywb.83 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:34:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=iXOHWH9T1MTZju6Y1cDsEMJmAvR4f6kwuobuO18QNF0=; b=X+nI/z2DV7r0Y3deLc3nryJjxtOcWIr+GcJXMa8fa3yfFoQ05PIRfq0D8NJ613UE1O fRFHzim2XlYEzRYmdxSHDXCi3rPUbRsaNxfvtdm0r1NbcGjEbqW9tXnKPdhmRAWro6a0 GSW1VQh+nhzzNa8FPQYn+g96f209yYceZPjX8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=qK71UesSam3IWFW2XjqyOPKy1CdfXA12K5W+UUIgEVfPQGqnkNFm7vHX1WMNkyXGZz A0DeQqpXThfB9vR0itGMlCjcGD7d3sH6X/PXeBsSR/pwOmjmJVWfrbKRuzqacIzdpg0K rGAnhpYFaBTzrrJeWzOAEJmLvjozA9FiqZwBU= Received: by 10.150.191.10 with SMTP id o10mr3344862ybf.161.1217601283922; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.133.4 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:34:43 -0700 To: "Antony Dovgal" Cc: "Pierre Joye" , php-dev In-Reply-To: <4892F92A.9090901@daylessday.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3037_1076238.1217601283938" References: <4892E15D.1080004@daylessday.org> <4892E37B.8060804@macvicar.net> <4892E5DD.50907@daylessday.org> <4892E856.6090108@macvicar.net> <4892E8C7.1090809@daylessday.org> <4892F4A2.5000706@daylessday.org> <4892F92A.9090901@daylessday.org> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] enabling everything by default From: chrisstocktonaz@gmail.com ("Chris Stockton") ------=_Part_3037_1076238.1217601283938 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The more extensions enabled by default, the more extensions many developers can count on being in common builds. Part of PHP's success is the extension system and the variety of tools it gives the user-base. It is also a nice peace of mind for library developers to be fairly sure the typical php build has X ext. Is their a particular reason you are against giving users such a variety of tools? If performance or binary size I would be interested in stats/benchmarks. I have done some testing in the past when we disabled all extensions we did not use at a previous employer to squeeze some performance out and the benefit was non-existent. -Chris On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Antony Dovgal wrote: > On 01.08.2008 15:44, Pierre Joye wrote: > >> It is not about being 100% true or 100% false. We have a couple of >> ways to see that, extension usage stastistics and own experiences >> (mines in the PEAR time, with htscanner feedbacks on what they use, >> and a couple of other things). I provided one source and it reflects >> what I said (see nexen.net base configuration stats). >> > > Lots of hostings and single servers use default packages from their > distributions and distributions tend to include much more than what's > enabled by default, so > "hostings use what's enabled by default" is just as fake argument as is > "hostings are afraid of PECL". > > Also, even if all of the hosting companies in the world would use simple > "./configure", I still couldn't think of a reason to enable ext/sqlite3 by > default. > > > -- > Wbr, Antony Dovgal > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > ------=_Part_3037_1076238.1217601283938--