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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] CVS to SVN Migration
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Lukas,

Friday, July 25, 2008, 10:26:59 AM, you wrote:


> On 25.07.2008, at 10:25, Lars Strojny wrote:

>> Hi Rasmus,
>>
>> Am Freitag, den 25.07.2008, 01:11 -0700 schrieb Rasmus Lerdorf:
>> [...]
>>> What do you mean by that?  hgsvn and git-svn don't need any server- 
>>> side
>>> support to enable you to work locally and do local git or hg checkins
>>> and then sync to the central svn repository when you are ready.
>>
>> git-svn is really slow when you check out a huge repository. And PHP- 
>> SRC
>> will be huge. So it might be worth to export nightly git repos and to
>> provide a space for developers to create personal repositories from  
>> that
>> nightly repos for collaboration (think re2c, PDO_MYSQLND, etc. pp.)

> BTW: I talked to some mercurial developers at a recent google code  
> event here in Zurich. They said that their svn bridging is still not  
> at the same level as that of git, but its being actively addressed.

I don't care for slow or fast. Becuase only about 10 people out of a 1000
or so will use any bridge to anywhere. We need to keep our fast development
for php-src, pecl, pear and docs running while improving our development
process at the same time. So far we didn't upgrade anywhere because non of
the tools did offer any real advantage for us - PHP. Subversion is the only
one that is not 10 or a 100 times more complex. In fact for 99% of our
repository users the change will limit to a one time checkout where a
dirrerent repository name, uri or whatever they will name it is being used
and when having to type svn instead of cvs. And as always one should
address the 99% and not the 1%. At leat I for one would prefer not to loose
too many contributers along the way. Either way with subversion 1.5 we get
not only general svn support for transactions and moving but also merge
tracking. Personally the killer feature here is transactions. And I don't
think I have to explain why. But whatever, no other tool is able to provide
what we want while being mature and working on all platforms at the same
timr.

This thread again shows the PHP development. A few people wanting to help
and endless amounts of people needing to mail anything they ever thought
of.

Best regards,
 Marcus