Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:38728 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51302 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 08:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 08:42:26 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 88.198.8.16 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 88.198.8.16 bigtime.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [88.198.8.16] ([88.198.8.16:44658] helo=bigtime.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id DF/31-37564-1F09C684 for ; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:42:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191714144012; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:45:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at backendmedia.com Received: from bigtime.backendmedia.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bigtime.backendmedia.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zDLKfAU0uNo5; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:45:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.80.170] (unknown [195.226.16.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mls@pooteeweet.org) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F064144009; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:45:38 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Derick Rethans , Christian Seiler , php-dev List Message-ID: <814550B7-1E4F-4E0B-A232-E2864D1CCB5C@pooteeweet.org> To: Dmitry Stogov In-Reply-To: <486C8F27.20606@zend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:41:20 +0200 References: <486B6960.4030705@gmx.net> <3F379336-B4DC-4495-AD76-3D52ED703E0E@pooteeweet.org> <486C8F27.20606@zend.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 (and forget 5.4) (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Closures: updated proposal and patch) From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On 03.07.2008, at 10:34, Dmitry Stogov wrote: > Absolutely agree. > > I don't see any reason for 5.4. We don't plan any significant new > features. You guys are scaring me .. I was hoping to evade such discussions. PHP 5.3 is probably the minor version release with the most major changes ever. Mostly because we waited too long to go into release mode. PHP 6 has of course lingered even longer and it really really needs to get out the door ASAP. Now what I would propose is that we go into release mode on PHP 6 as well. Due to the nature of it being a major version bump it will naturally take longer to get completed. Depending on how quickly we move with PHP 5.3, we will then either release a PHP 5.4 with all of the open items before PHP 6 or more or less at the same time. But if we put the burden of being the last planned PHP 5 release onto 5.3, we will have huge issues getting it out the door. So please let us keep 5.4 on the table, but at the same time do everything we can to get PHP 6 onto some sort of "release schedule". I have emailed Andrei about this offlist when I saw Derick's email. But I just wanted to send this email as a sort of damage control :) regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith mls@pooteeweet.org