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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:12:04 +0200
To: "Timm Friebe" <thekid@thekid.de>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop
From: pierre.php@gmail.com ("Pierre Joye")

hi Timm,

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Timm Friebe <thekid@thekid.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Can be moved PECL
>> - interbase
>> - fpdf
>> - fbsql
>> - sybase and sybase_ct
>
> Sybase can be moved, it is unmaintained. I would've done this long ago if I
> could, karma-wise.

Let see what other thinks about this one, I'm waiting a couple of days more.

> Sybase_ct works perfectly for us at 1&1 and despite feature requests that
> exist and me not having put big efforts into it over the past years it
> serves millions of requests a day without problems. The next big step would
> be to add all the `if (unicode)`-stuff needed for PHP6 and/or to port it to
> a PDO driver, which I frankly don't have time to do.

And same for us. We don't the time or resources to support them (see below).

But if we work together, it should be possible to keep them.   Let me
ask you the same than I ask to Lester, will you help us to keep
sybase_ct in php-src? You don't need to know C or php internals but to
actually provide tests and run them when we update the libraries or
releases RC. What would rock is to have it supported by gcov (by us or
somewhere else with a public report), would it be possible?


> If an extension is moved to PECL, it is a bit more of a hassle to install
> it: Windows: instead of enabling it in php.ini you need to download the dll
> (not sure who builds that? Is it done automatically?)

It was done automatically and without much checks and tests but users
feedbacks after the releases. There is no need to say that it is not a
good way to do it.

Our position is that a dependency should be reliable, testable and
easy to update. That means that people should be able to test if a
dependency update or a change in the extension build/code did not
break anything. As we can do it easy for extensions with a large tests
suite or widely used, it is an impossible task for extensions like
sybase or interbase.

> / Un*x: Get a .tar.gz,
> unpack, phpize, configure and make (last time I tried that didn't work for
> me, must've been some wrong auto-whatever).

If the release is done correctly, a simple pecl install sybase works.

Cheers,
-- 
Pierre

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