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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers
From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine)

Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> 
> On 15.06.2008, at 08:54, Lester Caine wrote:
> 
>> From Pierre
>>> Playing off base.  What I proposed you is to help us to get your
>>> software continue to run smoothly with PHP, while keeping the windows
>>> support. In the end you may even get a faster version on windows, but
>>> I suppose you don't care about that (poor customers  ;) .
>>
>> This I think is part of the current battle - and it is a battle - 
>> between those of us who use and spend a lot of our time SUPPORTING PHP 
>> use in the field.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> I hope the purpose if this post was to vent .. and I hope that you are 
> now vented. Aside from this you just wasted the time of anyone who has 
> actually read your post, hoping that there would actually be some 
> relevant content to read. Instead you can shouted, which several people 
> have asked you not to do. Lester next time you are about to click "send" 
> on a mail where you have capitalized entire words, please take a deep 
> breather and hit deleted instead.

Partly to vent - see other post about finfo_open - this weekends waste of 
time! "It works fine here" from other developers is equally annoying when 
looking at a white screen without even an error message!
But the main problem is getting some answers to what is happening to PHP6. I 
will continue to shout now since asking politely over the last couple of years 
has not achieved anything :(

> regards,
> Lukas Kahwe Smith
> mls@pooteeweet.org
> 
> PS: How about instead sending a mail to the firebird foundation, to 
> which you seem well conntected, and see if they can help?

They have had the discussion and since the php_interbase driver *IS* working 
fine with Firebird since Ard produced the PHP5 version of it then there has 
been no requirement to replace Ard's effort. None of the people actively using 
Firebird on PHP can see the need to invest any time in PDO but because of the 
bugs introduced in the 64 bit linux builds of php_interbase we are trying to 
get some time invested into that. The core development work in FB has been 
unicode, and any work on the driver for PHP6 is stalled until there is 
something that can actually be done :(

Two years ago I had a fully configured development setup for PHP6 on linux all 
ready to get stuck in. Since then I've lost a major source of funding and 
fixing some of the stupid little problems due to PHP upgrades is now an 
irritating delay to other more productive work. It normally takes hours to get 
into other peoples code to find out where the fault is even before you can 
start to find a fix! Having then to learn the insides out of the whole of the 
PHP code base to fix the actual bug is just impractical - and half the time 
the 'bug' is actually a pigging change to some functionality :(

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Lester Caine - G8HFL
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