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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:59:54 +0200
To: "Lester Caine" <lester@lsces.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop
From: pierre.php@gmail.com ("Pierre Joye")

hi Lester,

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> wrote:

>> What I'm asking you is to help me to actually have a controllable and
>> testable firebird drivers in PHP. I will do my best to help you to get
>> things fixed and to provide the best windows binaries. However, one
>> thing is sure, I can't do it alone. For two reasons, I'm not a
>> firebird user and I have to learn it and I do not have the time or
>> resources to do it.
>>
>> Please let me know if you or the firebird team is ready to help us to
>> improve the firebird support in php and in the end, to keep it in php.
>
> THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE CURRENT FIREBIRD SUPPORT SO WHY DO WE NEED
> TO IMPROVE IT? If something was missing it would be a different matter, but
> all that is missing is a UNICODE only base to work from.

You mentioned at least one problem not fixed yet. But improving
something means that it works well and it will run even better
afterwards.

> I have two problems with BUILDING windows binaries myself.

I have three problems with you now and here:

1. You keep getting loud. I'm not blind and I can read relatively good
even you write with lower cases
2. You refuse to see what I'm asking
3. You keep talking about pears when I'm asking about apples

> The main reason for moving to PHP was to get out from under M$ but
> my customers still insist on using Windows even where we show
> that Apache/PHP/Firebird performs better on Linux.

Playing off base.  What I proposed you is to help us to get your
software continue to run smoothly with PHP, while keeping the windows
support. In the end you may even get a faster version on windows, but
I suppose you don't care about that (poor customers ;).

> Until there is a roadmap to a production release of PHP6 then I am not going
> to divert time to what I see as a dead end development and in the meantime I
> am being threatened that if I don't help with this sidetrack the one
> component of PHP that I consider essential will be removed :(

You are completely missing my point (and it was crystal clear). I call
for help to be able to actually keep firebird/interbase support in php
core and you see that as a threat. I proposed you a way to make sure
that everything continue to work fine and you rejected it. Please feel
free to continue to shout at us for being so mad to manage releases in
time and in our free time. I'm done now with my poor attempt to solve
the interbase maintenance problem.

--
Pierre

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