Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:38072 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 59733 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 08:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 08:26:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:35612] helo=mail.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A9/35-25418-2AEA3484 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:26:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 26733 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 08:26:07 -0000 Received: from stas-laptop.zend.net (HELO ?10.1.2.19?) (10.1.2.19) by mail.zend.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 08:26:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4843AE9A.2020507@zend.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:26:02 +0300 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derick Rethans CC: Hannes Magnusson , PHP Internals References: <4842C9AF.6040803@zend.com> <7f3ed2c30806010943k79790024hf0e83bf5ea5a5340@mail.gmail.com> <4842D84D.50509@zend.com> <7f3ed2c30806011030q73608bfo40ce3bddbb80f56d@mail.gmail.com> <4842DFB2.8050002@zend.com> <7f3ed2c30806011432l51044d1dx68abfa28e22ad671@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] multiple use From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! It's not dropping three characters, it's making better user experience. I see lately on the list very strange total opposition to any feature that adds any usability or syntax sugar to PHP. Like features supported by a bunch of community people but opposed by some core developers on abstract reasons of "it's unreadable" or "I don't like it". I wonder why is that? What's wrong with being nicer to the user? Is usability a taboo in PHP now? -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com