Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:38032 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 56360 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 16:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 May 2008 16:33:36 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lars@strojny.net; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lars@strojny.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain strojny.net designates 78.46.69.2 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lars@strojny.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 78.46.69.2 milch.schokokeks.org Received: from [78.46.69.2] ([78.46.69.2:58441] helo=milch.schokokeks.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 85/20-54820-EDD71484 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:33:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (xdsl-87-78-223-112.netcologne.de [::ffff:87.78.223.112]) (AUTH: PLAIN lars@schokokeks.org, SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,CAMELLIA256-SHA) by milch.schokokeks.org with esmtp; Sat, 31 May 2008 18:33:32 +0200 id 000000000000C00B.0000000048417DDC.0000644E To: Chris Stockton Cc: Sebastian Deutsch , internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: References: <0412F6FE505049F7901EAB8C61774839@pc> <1212087326.20983.22.camel@goldfinger.johannes.nop> <1212097521.2979.11.camel@goldfinger.johannes.nop> <50.44.55660.02A20484@pb1.pair.com> <1212236851.8837.0.camel@localhost> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:33:30 +0200 Message-ID: <1212251610.8837.14.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_milch.schokokeks.org-25678-1212251612-0001-2" X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.0 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...] From: lars@strojny.net (Lars Strojny) --=_milch.schokokeks.org-25678-1212251612-0001-2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris, Am Samstag, den 31.05.2008, 08:42 -0700 schrieb Chris Stockton: > Not like they will be listened to unless they are "commiters". They are heard. The issue is, as always in programming, you want to do an informed decision. That's why I don't like architecture astronauts, as they aren't really informed (the day they wrote production code is long gone), that's why your Joe Random, your project manager does not dictate technical details, that's why the guy who joined your company last week doesn't start to decide things he can't estimate yet. Of course you listen to your project manager and of course you listen to the guy who came in lately (you better completely ignore the architecture astronaut ;-)) but there voices have a different weight than the voice of the guy who did all the freaky business logic stuff. Let's stick with the company picture: if your CEO comes in and requests a certain feature, often it is a good idea to unsell it (and if he is good, he will accept a good argument) - because of stability, maintainability, safety and security. I'm not saying the core contributors are always right, but there being core contributors is an evidence. cu, Lars --=_milch.schokokeks.org-25678-1212251612-0001-2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJIQX3aAAoJECQPF+sCY6wHiV0P/iJNAJZkp4knlLLdbGJKqEEH Inl7XGidQd1b2YG/SR/fzMhAOVz9i/4tgN+51Ci8QkiKuNlUCpDIYJ0QwU/KN4fK hbc0suGHQeTHQ/qDAOQDCAOmrC4/6heA2XD8kBCfyGykDGdqsgMuQSc12ihZJRo3 WVWrQt/6Rez9GuOG59bYtFTRnqUDl0W/YFIiQ+sggFceHLWq08trXt90JNsgIToR EFjjYaYWYeJGC1qFdFQ1U4oTj6k/6VM5tRlrotre1Dpx67nIGBh+sRHrEfPnK3an 1FEM+Zh/dQbJdWOQo1aS+IIXxKyft/KCfPcVi4yZx68Bv3hjASM7ls5fxih6OUkR DFmcEocks90hNRBiNZ9Th0EEDfud9A5zgTQe+eRyr1Q42RPiK+LfbJJaYcNxB28+ 8OCgT5MVZ/ipSfO/hbi70kkBNmLRl3WDcy5+Dc8hyvYwCODwQyihgmufIaRYw9OV 9daJhKuOjh2zZGIBAFamhSVI3kBtFyRb36C9/pDthyHyDFFeiMhwZ8kpk4M96Z5n +8hoVhiE6LsO1iO7S+aZc6U9RsqVJ7OLJ3PSjPccNtAzF4cSExcjfTdM/GneBZJY se7LrQ79JkgyAzou2ob6Q+FPCA+5uFnGnoQ3hc/heDaK7Ng+E2dkKwOQHZLKbbZc ieParI3lINIrZTkpQ91p =Qiya -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_milch.schokokeks.org-25678-1212251612-0001-2--