Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:38005 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 75406 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 23:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 May 2008 23:03:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:38382] helo=mx1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 61/0F-03918-8463F384 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 19:03:37 -0400 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by mx1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 May 2008 02:04:46 +0300 Received: from [192.168.16.217] ([192.168.16.217]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 29 May 2008 16:04:43 -0700 Message-ID: <483F3641.1070500@zend.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:03:29 -0700 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johannes_Schl=FCter?= CC: PHP Developers Mailing List References: <0412F6FE505049F7901EAB8C61774839@pc> <1212087326.20983.22.camel@goldfinger.johannes.nop> <1212097521.2979.11.camel@goldfinger.johannes.nop> In-Reply-To: <1212097521.2979.11.camel@goldfinger.johannes.nop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2008 23:04:43.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[616A2340:01C8C1E0] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...] From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > most people there's not much reason to maintain stuff they don't need > all they get is a bigger ego. If a "user" wants a feature he should step > up In this particular case it doesn't work - one can step up as much as one wants but if this feature is not accepted then no amount of stepping up is going to get it into the code. If it is accepted, there would be no problem making the patch and finding somebody to support it. > Voting? Oh my. > I don't agree to all stuff in the book, but in general it's a good read: > http://producingoss.com/html-chunk/consensus-democracy.html Well, I agree voting is far from being ideal. Do you have any other proposal that would allow to arrive to some decision? Like not endlessly churning the same arguments on the list but have some decision? > So back to the original topic: In a 50:50 scenario I'd certainly give > more weight to people I know for contributing for a long time than How about Rasmus and Andi? ;) They are both "aye"s. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com