Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:37995 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43812 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 14:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 May 2008 14:55:17 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=brianm@dealnews.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=brianm@dealnews.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain dealnews.com designates 72.5.90.27 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: brianm@dealnews.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 72.5.90.27 smtp.dealnews.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [72.5.90.27] ([72.5.90.27:46678] helo=smtp.dealnews.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E3/27-03918-EC3CE384 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 10:55:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 27013 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 14:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.dealnews.com) (10.1.10.7) by -H with ESMTPS (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted); 29 May 2008 14:55:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 1561 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 14:55:07 -0000 Received: from 128.2.1.10.in-addr.arpa (HELO 100.100.1.10.in-addr.arpa) (brianm@10.1.2.128) by -H with ESMTPA; 29 May 2008 14:55:07 -0000 Message-ID: <483EC3C8.3030506@dealnews.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:55:04 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (Macintosh/2008050714) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derick Rethans CC: Pierre Joye , Gregory Beaver , Stan Vassilev | FM , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <0412F6FE505049F7901EAB8C61774839@pc> <483DAE91.7020505@chiaraquartet.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...] From: brianm@dealnews.com (Brian Moon) Derick Rethans wrote: > From what I can see there is > not a major majority in favor - in this case I'd even say that 50% > should not be enough for this **** to get in. I know blog comments are not completely scientific and perhaps not an accurate representation of the whole commnity. But the comments on my blog post seem to indicate that the people in the community, that read planet php, who also felt strong enough about it to comment, seemed to like it. http://brian.moonspot.net/2008/05/28/short-array-syntax-for-php/#comments Again, I know many will think this is horribly innacurate and pointless because all of these people don't have CVS karma. And even I would take it with a grain of salt. But I think as Rasmus has said we have to evolve with the common web developer that is using PHP today. If it was up to me, none of the overly complicated OOP stuff would have ever made it in. I find it useless and pointless. You can do all that with a few functions, IMO. But it was added to make all the Java refugees happy. -- Brian Moon (brianlmoon@php.net)