Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:37991 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 88802 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 11:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 May 2008 11:04:36 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.94.239.7 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.94.239.7 mail.jdi-ict.nl Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.94.239.7] ([82.94.239.7:46427] helo=mail.jdi-ict.nl) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 04/56-49427-3CD8E384 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 07:04:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.jdi-ict.nl (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m4TB4Qc7009833; Thu, 29 May 2008 13:04:26 +0200 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:04:22 +0200 (CEST) X-X-Sender: derick@kossu.ez.no To: Pierre Joye cc: Gregory Beaver , Stan Vassilev | FM , PHP Developers Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <0412F6FE505049F7901EAB8C61774839@pc> <483DAE91.7020505@chiaraquartet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...] From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Wed, 28 May 2008, Pierre Joye wrote: > What's the idea behind repeating the same (good or bad) argument > endlessly with more or less prose around them? Thanks for voting at > the end anyway. It's an important thing that people are be able to show their choices with proper reasoning. I can only commend Greg for doing so. Unfortunately, there are too many misguided souls that just want to add stuff to PHP for no obvious benefit. PHP needs some love to create a better user experience, nor argument there - however, this love should to actually fixing the stuff that we have. PDO can use quite some attention for example. Let's not waste time (and sanity) by adding new useles constructs that only appeal to some. From what I can see there is not a major majority in favor - in this case I'd even say that 50% should not be enough for this **** to get in. regards, Derick -- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl | http://ezcomponents.org | http://xdebug.org