Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:37950 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 63829 invoked from network); 28 May 2008 07:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 May 2008 07:42:28 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tony@daylessday.org; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tony@daylessday.org; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain daylessday.org designates 89.208.40.236 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tony@daylessday.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 89.208.40.236 mail.daylessday.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [89.208.40.236] ([89.208.40.236:46599] helo=daylessday.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CE/A7-15519-3EC0D384 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 03:42:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.34] (ppp91-78-105-211.pppoe.mtu-net.ru [91.78.105.211]) by daylessday.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F162640089; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:42:24 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <483D0CCE.7070709@daylessday.org> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:42:06 +0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080226) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stanislav Malyshev CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <0412F6FE505049F7901EAB8C61774839@pc> <87.77.15519.9E47C384@pb1.pair.com> <97.F8.15519.1229C384@pb1.pair.com> <483CF9E9.2010803@daylessday.org> <483CFAE0.203@zend.com> <483CFBAB.8030400@daylessday.org> <483CFF33.6060302@lerdorf.com> <483D05B6.30804@daylessday.org> <483D0AF0.5050902@zend.com> In-Reply-To: <483D0AF0.5050902@zend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...] From: tony@daylessday.org (Antony Dovgal) On 28.05.2008 11:34, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> I don't recall any languages to introduce new syntax because it's so >> handy to those who come from PHP and I see no reasons for us to do it >> either. > > If they don't do it and we do, people come from them to us and not the > reverse. Yeah, from Javascript to PHP just because of better syntax. HA. > The reason is to make life easier for people. And I think > current results - 21:8 - tell something. Want me to find some more 50 people to vote against it? We're having a conference these days, I believe I can find even more people just to show you how meaningless these votes are =) > I do not and will not believe that you - or anybody smart enough to use > PHP - would seriously have any trouble understanding what that means. > Arguing it is extraneous is one thing, but presenting PHP users as > senseless robots hopelessly confused by even simplest concepts like > using [] for arrays just doesn't make any sense. Wasn't that the main reason FOR adding this syntax? The array() thing seems to you too hard to read and maintain, no? If it's not, than I don't see what you're arguing for. -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal