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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:10:38 +0100
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Subject: Re: Re[4]: [PHP-DEV] PHP compiler
From: wez@thebrainroom.com ("Wez Furlong")

Damn, and I was just about to respond suggesting that you cancel your cvs
account too ;-)

It's easy to think that PHP can and should be applied to everything that you
might want to do, ranging from your web pages to managing the power on your
ACPI laptop and so on, but you do need to keep sight of the fact that PHP
was designed for "The Web Problem", and that "The Web Problem" will always
be the primary focus of PHP.

Anything that *really* doesn't fit with that just isn't going to get into
the core.

However, quite often, you can extend or otherwise modify PHP to suit your
own needs - it is OpenSource after all.

--Wez.

PS: I am one of the last people you should be complaining at about "php
isn't intended for that"; perhaps you should study your PHP history before
you make your next post.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy S. Johnstone" <jsjohnst@altdns.net>
To: "'Wez Furlong'" <wez@thebrainroom.com>
Cc: <internals@lists.php.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [PHP-DEV] PHP compiler


> I apologize if I sounded rude at all, it's just that I am sick of people
> telling me "php isn't intended for that", when I come up with new ideas.
> I ask those same people what they think PHP is for, and inevitably I get
> some variation on LAMP. If PHP is only intended to ever be a "web
> programming language" and has no plans of branching out in the future, I
> think PHP is grossly limiting itself.
>
> Jeremy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeremy S. Johnstone [mailto:jsjohnst@altdns.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:42 AM
> To: 'Wez Furlong'
> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [PHP-DEV] PHP compiler
>
>
> Okay, so you want to arbitrarily limit PHP's use to simple web
> applications? With attitudes like this, maybe I should just cancel my
> CVS account at php.net and go join a Microsoft ASP team somewhere. If
> myself and other person who started the "Java-alike thread" want to
> discuss PHP having internal support for features such as this, I think
> we are well entitled to. Of course that doesn't mean the core
> programmers have to head our desires and actually allow it to be
> included, but it doesn't stop us from discussing the merits of such a
> solution.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wez Furlong [mailto:wez@thebrainroom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:30 AM
> To: Simeon Koptelov; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: Re[4]: [PHP-DEV] PHP compiler
>
>
> This isn't really an internals matter, and isn't going to happen in the
> core (for various reasons). It is something you can implement yourself
> using your own extension and the streams API.
>
> Can we please drop this thread (and related Java-alike threads) now and
> replace them with more technical issues actually related to the
> internals of PHP ? :-)
>
> --Wez.