Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:36294 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 83129 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2008 21:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Mar 2008 21:35:50 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:55068] helo=mx1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 82/21-26785-53A24E74 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:35:50 -0500 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by mx1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:36:14 +0200 Received: from [192.168.16.115] ([192.168.16.115]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:36:10 -0700 Message-ID: <47E42A2F.7050605@zend.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:35:43 -0700 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcus Boerger CC: Pierre Joye , jani.taskinen@iki.fi, PHP Internals References: <47E3F714.60302@zend.com> <883216194.20080321193140@marcus-boerger.de> <47E40848.1060103@zend.com> <47E40C3F.8040601@sci.fi> <47E40E6E.5030103@zend.com> <47E414FD.4040608@zend.com> <47E41B70.5020102@zend.com> <655573127.20080321214139@marcus-boerger.de> <47E41F73.7000300@zend.com> <1025802608.20080321215723@marcus-boerger.de> <47E4247C.3080802@zend.com> <1247334416.20080321222243@marcus-boerger.de> In-Reply-To: <1247334416.20080321222243@marcus-boerger.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2008 21:36:10.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[949BA840:01C88B9B] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > This was discussed several times already and Pierre put you directly onto > its definition. What more can we say? I think we have a valid technical You obviously think so, but it doesn't automatically makes it valid. Explaining again: PHP code needs to conform to XML standard *only* if you have files that need to be *both* valid PHP *and* valid XML. Only files I can imagine that need to be both valid PHP and valid XML are XML templates that are passed through PHP parser. It is very rare use case - most of templates are HTML and not XML - and it can be supported even better with my proposal, since with it you can haver *both* XML templates *and* HTML templates with short tags in the same application, without needing any external configuration - while without it you can have only one working, even with configuration. > argument here, where you seem to simply wanting to save a few key strokes. Sounds like you miss most of what I write, but I will try again, in hope this time I manage to squeeze it through. I do not "simply want to save keystrokes", I want to enable PHP template systems to have functionality that: 1. Is present in *every* popular templating system, including RoR, ASP, JSP, Perl::Mason and probably countless others. 2. Makes PHP templates easy to read even for person not knowing PHP syntax, easy to write and and easy to parse visually. Now, I see enabling runtime