Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:36280 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 54251 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2008 20:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Mar 2008 20:30:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:48234] helo=mx1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AB/CA-26785-4EA14E74 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:30:30 -0500 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by mx1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:30:53 +0200 Received: from [192.168.16.115] ([192.168.16.115]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:30:50 -0700 Message-ID: <47E41ADF.6040601@zend.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:30:23 -0700 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcus Boerger CC: jani.taskinen@iki.fi, 'PHP Internals' References: <47E3F714.60302@zend.com> <883216194.20080321193140@marcus-boerger.de> <47E40848.1060103@zend.com> <47E40C3F.8040601@sci.fi> <47E40E6E.5030103@zend.com> <1679837983.20080321204458@marcus-boerger.de> <47E415A2.30006@zend.com> <35948940.20080321211345@marcus-boerger.de> In-Reply-To: <35948940.20080321211345@marcus-boerger.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2008 20:30:50.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[73A1D190:01C88B92] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > The thing is that And if you ronly argument is saving a few keystrokes then we should really > get rid of short open tags completely. And definitively not making their > use easier. It is easier to use templates with then with full PHP syntax, they look cleaner. Just look how many other templates use "tag" syntax - either {SOMETHING} or <%= SOMETHING %> or some like that. Do you that's because they are too stupid or too lazy - or because they listen to the users? ASP, JSP and Ruby all have <%=, does it teach us anything about people liking short tags? Look how many examples you short syntax - why is that? Because it looks better and easy to read. And the only objection to that is - it's not valid XML. OK, it is not valid XML - why should it be? Why should PHP programmer work harder and PHP code look worse than Ruby, JSP or ASP - just because of arbitrary requirement of XML compliance? -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com