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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag
From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

> I'd rather see <?php= than having this whole "short_open_tag" thing at all.

Does <?php= work? I though echo shortcut works only with short tags. 
<?php= is not much worse than <?= so it'd be OK with me. Downside would 
be template systems couldn't use it until 5.3 is widely deployed - which 
means no template system can use it as standard for about 2-3 years at 
least. Unless we put <?php= in 5.2, which would make me a happy camper, 
but might be a trouble for others.

> I'd even use it myself. But I will not EVER enable the damn short tags 
> again. And won't allow anyone else doing it either. And speaking of 

What's wrong with short tags, can anybody explain me?

> hostile code: ALL code is hostile unless you wrote it yourself. Have you 

Not true. You probably use a ton of libraries, never verifying they 
don['t screw up your include path, memory limits, etc.? Why short tags 
are so different?

> And as you yourself instructed to check for "short_open_tag" in the 
> archive search: Count how many hits it gives which talk about _problems_ 
> with it.

Can you show which exactly search query you used, so we'd be sure we are 
talking about the same thing?

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