Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:36018 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 7357 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 20:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 20:22:33 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 85.10.196.195 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 85.10.196.195 serveforce1.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [85.10.196.195] ([85.10.196.195:33768] helo=serveforce1.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4B/FD-38880-78250D74 for ; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:22:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.151] (77-57-23-243.dclient.hispeed.ch [77.57.23.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by serveforce1.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED92E181D357; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:24:39 +0100 (CET) Cc: "David Coallier" , "Sebastian Bergmann" , internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: To: "Pierre Joye" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:21:16 +0100 References: <47D02D95.8010001@zend.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.128, required 6, AWL 0.03, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.10) X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-From: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHPUnit under the umbrella of PHP for GSoC From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On 06.03.2008, at 21:17, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:20 PM, David Coallier wrote: >> I think the real question we have to ask is "Do we consider PHPUnit" >> standard for PHP Development Unit Testing ? >> >> If so, PHPUnit gets a grant (or a chance to get one under the PHP >> Project umbrella) >> >> If not, then it doesn't. >> >> I consider PHPUnit the standard for Unit Testing in PHP, now what do >> you all think ? > > I don't consider it as a standard, maybe the leading tool yes (no idea > if it is or not), but not a standard. There is other good unit testing > tools out there (lime, simpletest to cite two). My point was that even > if phpUnit may be the leading unit tests tool for php, it is not a > php.net project. That applies to other PHP frameworks, applications, > etc. I think in general we can say the following order applies: 1) php internals (php-src, qa, docs etc) 2) any other php.net subproject 3) other php projects if a proposal falls in 3) it needs to be really good and all the prosals left in 1) and 2) need to be pretty unexciting in order to be accepted. this is essentially how things have been implicitly handled from what i have seen in the past years. and so far we have had stuff in 3) manage to "sneak" in this way. regards, Lukas