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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.2.5 and static calls
From: greg@chiaraquartet.net (Gregory Beaver)

Marcus Boerger wrote:
> Hello Pierre,
> 
> Saturday, March 1, 2008, 8:53:26 PM, you wrote:
> 
> and yeas after several years of trying to communicate and never gotten
> anything back? I have told PREAR development a million times to fix code.
> Now not even PEAR code is wrong but it is copied into endless amounts of
> code. So it seems ignorance is bliss is what our userbase is doing. So I
> need to do the same, no? On the other hand Rasmus and I spent a lot time
> getting this right without affecting users to much and we infact did
> encounter things that lead to bigger issues and I am not introducing tons
> of workarounds.

Hi Marcus,

Holy cow my friend.  You know full well that PEAR has been actively 
working on an installer for PHP 5.3+, and also know full well that the 
existing PEAR installer supports actual users, the majority of whom use 
PHP 5.2+, but a significant minority (read thousands) still use PHP 4 on 
a daily basis.  We have the same upgrade problems that PHP does - some 
unix distributions are still distribution PEAR 1.2 with PHP 4 by 
default, and Mac OS X bundled (until recently) a really old version of 
PEAR 1.3 (we've been at 1.7 for a few months now, for context).

Perhaps a little understanding of the real world would be helpful here: 
people who use PEAR expect it to work with the minimum PHP supported 
version, which in our case is PHP 4.3.

You also know for a fact that I have no love for PHP 4, and haven't 
actually used it for years, but every time some PHP 4-related issue 
creeps in, we get bug reports immediately.  PEAR serves its users, period.

Can we move on from this ridiculous recurring religious debate over 
nothing and please never mention it again?

Thank you,
Greg