Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:35879 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 7791 invoked by uid 1010); 1 Mar 2008 20:01:05 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 7776 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 20:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 20:01:05 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=helly@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=helly@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 85.214.94.56 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: helly@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 85.214.94.56 aixcept.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [85.214.94.56] ([85.214.94.56:50599] helo=h1149922.serverkompetenz.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 68/94-08308-006B9C74 for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:01:05 -0500 Received: from MBOERGER-ZRH.corp.google.com (228-213.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.0.213.228]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h1149922.serverkompetenz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A68511F587; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 21:01:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 21:00:35 +0100 Reply-To: Marcus Boerger X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1672609976.20080301210035@marcus-boerger.de> To: "Pierre Joye" CC: till , internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: References: <234b196e0803011115t31dd004iba76f5d7ac9125b8@mail.gmail.com> <1476108437.20080301203629@marcus-boerger.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.2.5 and static calls From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger) Hello Pierre, Saturday, March 1, 2008, 8:53:26 PM, you wrote: and yeas after several years of trying to communicate and never gotten anything back? I have told PREAR development a million times to fix code. Now not even PEAR code is wrong but it is copied into endless amounts of code. So it seems ignorance is bliss is what our userbase is doing. So I need to do the same, no? On the other hand Rasmus and I spent a lot time getting this right without affecting users to much and we infact did encounter things that lead to bigger issues and I am not introducing tons of workarounds. marcus My name is Marcus > Hi Marco, > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Marcus Boerger wrote: >> Hello till, >> >> we changed the behavior as much back as we need be. Fact is that this has >> been an oversight. It has been a bug we just fixed. As an eagreement we >> decided not to mark all of these as fatal. We might do so in later versions. >> However we have been mentioning this for years now. Fix the damn code. If >> you are not willing to do so, then imo you should just stick with older >> versions. > On a case by case basis, the code may be fixed, we all agree on that. > But this answer is not acceptable. Can you seriously ask someone to > stick to versions with security fixes only because of our strictness > breakages? I can accept (does not mean that I agree) a change to fatal > between 5.2 to 5.3 for example- But it must not happen between two > patches releases (I say must instead of should, as it is a must to do > break code in this case). > Cheers, > -- > Pierre > http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org Best regards, Marcus