Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:35502 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 64726 invoked by uid 1010); 14 Feb 2008 23:07:59 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 64710 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 23:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 23:07:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=christopher.jones@oracle.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=christopher.jones@oracle.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain oracle.com from 148.87.113.118 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: christopher.jones@oracle.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 148.87.113.118 rgminet01.oracle.com Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from [148.87.113.118] ([148.87.113.118:23315] helo=rgminet01.oracle.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id DD/15-21909-CC9C4B74 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:07:58 -0500 Received: from agmgw1.us.oracle.com (agmgw1.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.212]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m1EN7qEt030162; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:07:52 -0700 Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by agmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m1E7ROli023258; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:07:51 -0700 Received: from dhcp-5op3-5op4-west-130-35-70-121.usdhcp.oraclecorp.com by acsmt358.oracle.com with ESMTP id 7551404661203030383; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:06:23 -0600 Message-ID: <47B4C96E.8000100@oracle.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:06:22 -0800 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lukas Kahwe Smith CC: pdo@lists.php.net, PHP Internals References: <37388396.20080201212653@marcus-boerger.de> <47B39DF1.2000607@oracle.com> <47B3A7B6.9020400@oracle.com> <00a901c86eb6$54321250$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> <79825459-12D4-477D-A252-A23F77128B03@pooteeweet.org> <47B4ADCE.5090907@oracle.com> <47B4BB79.6090101@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE Subject: Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2 From: christopher.jones@oracle.com (Christopher Jones) Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > However the point here is. There is a proposal on the table to change > the php.net project to be able to bring in developers we do not know, > for code they have not yet written, for specs they have not yet > contributed. This is flipping our development process upside down while > adding legal hurdles. Since the process hasn't started yet, of course some of the participants aren't known. I don't think PDO V2 is going to be any different from other PHP projects: it starts at the beginning and progress is monitored. If it's not going well, people speak up and decisions are made about how to correct it. > As such the only course of action I currently is to start working. If > you guys do not feel like you can work within the current legal bounds > of php.net, then I suggest you start working outside of them. Once we > see actual value being contributed, the willingness to compromise and > change will be much higher. I want to see the effort spent will have value to the community. Chris -- Christopher Jones, Oracle Email: christopher.jones@oracle.com Tel: +1 650 506 8630 Blog: http://blogs.oracle.com/opal/ Free PHP Book: http://tinyurl.com/f8jad