Newsgroups: php.internals,php.pdo Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:35500 php.pdo:145 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30653 invoked by uid 1010); 14 Feb 2008 22:15:17 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30621 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 22:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 22:15:17 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 85.10.196.195 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 85.10.196.195 serveforce1.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [85.10.196.195] ([85.10.196.195:50087] helo=serveforce1.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 71/3F-21909-27DB4B74 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:15:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.151] (77-57-23-243.dclient.hispeed.ch [77.57.23.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by serveforce1.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD469181D236; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:15:14 +0100 (CET) Cc: Pierre Joye , pdo@lists.php.net, PHP Internals Message-ID: To: Christopher Jones In-Reply-To: <47B4BB79.6090101@oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:14:32 +0100 References: <37388396.20080201212653@marcus-boerger.de> <47B39DF1.2000607@oracle.com> <47B3A7B6.9020400@oracle.com> <00a901c86eb6$54321250$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> <79825459-12D4-477D-A252-A23F77128B03@pooteeweet.org> <47B4ADCE.5090907@oracle.com> <47B4BB79.6090101@oracle.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.136, required 6, AWL 0.04, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.10) X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-From: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2 From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On 14.02.2008, at 23:06, Christopher Jones wrote: > I think most multi-person plans that impact an existing OSS project > have had some genesis in private discussions before being broadcast. > For PDO V2, this discussion was just really slow and intermittent. Yeah, I am basically fine with this. I send private emails to people around OSS projects all the time. Its absolutely ok and actually something that is vital to keep things manageable. However the point here is. There is a proposal on the table to change the php.net project to be able to bring in developers we do not know, for code they have not yet written, for specs they have not yet contributed. This is flipping our development process upside down while adding legal hurdles. As such the only course of action I currently is to start working. If you guys do not feel like you can work within the current legal bounds of php.net, then I suggest you start working outside of them. Once we see actual value being contributed, the willingness to compromise and change will be much higher. regards, Lukas