Newsgroups: php.internals,php.pdo Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:35498 php.pdo:140 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 15927 invoked by uid 1010); 14 Feb 2008 21:23:43 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 15912 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 21:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 21:23:43 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 66.249.82.226 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 66.249.82.226 wx-out-0506.google.com Received: from [66.249.82.226] ([66.249.82.226:37328] helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C4/CC-21909-E51B4B74 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:23:42 -0500 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s14so565022wxc.26 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:23:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Mfrk8bXch1WFgpkWYaSc7niwRmEJnDuAf3LezQ9GDbM=; b=ScMZaTxPuZtTIllMMW0V5bsCUyHl7nvbEy0OoZwua9StEFxIHCHJ7YejxUtrOuL6aIDJU4r6ubnuQQyzypn/qf2w9hF2Ahj4hlDNWmzFe1Y8bI1gC5fbqidbYxHg4I6z7HRF7phQBbMvcyDCMxBoG0uxcLkOTdRTC0fXoDoAwqQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hEeKoq/jWJXitFnATohHrkudQixfhIJY/cv8/KKLVGv1EEmIo5A1KErvdnI+KuuNjeHfd50AjFNzjAoJMP8NItFdu35D3tysyKnpgh+IZIcAASIw28nvhuuwX3wmQqRXYsspRp84NT8Qi+LS+Mh0Wfw1a/HdUmWajOB+ytYTBV0= Received: by 10.141.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr1374290rvi.39.1203024218859; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.70.21 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:23:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:23:38 +0100 To: "Christopher Jones" Cc: "Lukas Kahwe Smith" , pdo@lists.php.net, "PHP Internals" In-Reply-To: <47B4ADCE.5090907@oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <37388396.20080201212653@marcus-boerger.de> <47B39DF1.2000607@oracle.com> <47B3A7B6.9020400@oracle.com> <00a901c86eb6$54321250$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> <79825459-12D4-477D-A252-A23F77128B03@pooteeweet.org> <47B4ADCE.5090907@oracle.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2 From: pierre.php@gmail.com ("Pierre Joye") Hi Chris, On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Christopher Jones wrote: > The code and strength of contributions and maintenance is the ultimate > evidence of what can be trusted. Poor quality drivers, if they are > distributed via a PECL-only distribution, will acquire their own bad > reputation and remain little used like other dormant PECL extensions. > Or if the drivers are part of the core PHP distribution, a poor driver > should get pulled if it is not of sufficient quality as determined by > the PHP community. As we all agree that poor drivers are not welcome (and great drivers are...), the problem here is not about improving PHP database support (call it PDOv2 or DBDOv3) but to introduce CLA'ed areas in PHP, php core or PECL. It would be nice to dissociate the two and to begin a real dialog between all parties (see my list of questions). About the list having been already gaven, sorry but I can't remember any list or any post about this topic not coming from existing contributors. As I said, many times (not enough) Zend is not PHP. Zend is a (big) contributor but Zend is not PHP. Neither are any of us. Conferences and management meetings are great place to create personal contacts and improve one thing or another, they are not the place to decide such things for the whole community. Cheers, -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org