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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:04:33 -0000
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2
From: steph@zend.com ("Steph Fox")

> Tell us the names of these entities, companies or persons, who are
> going to contribute and what are actually their requirements. What
> will they bring (saying "expertise" is not something I can buy)? I
> don't understand what is so hard to understand that it is a minimum to
> get before we can even discuss the CLA introduction. Let alone the
> fact that they don't consider us as good enough as discussions
> partner.

Pierre does have a point here. We don't know who we're dealing with, what 
they can/could offer, or what they want or need in order to offer it.. and 
nobody's really tried to communicate with php.net apart from those already 
in the php.net inner circle.

I believe there's more room for give and take than Pierre (and others) would 
be prepared to acknowledge ATM, but if nobody's even prepared to talk with 
php.net about the issues from their own perspective(s) how can we be 
expected to work together to find a good solution?

In fairness it seems the corporate side all came together to exchange views 
about how to restrict stuff and haven't reached their own 'group conclusion' 
yet, but from this end the only message that can sanely be given at present 
is 'do the best you can without restrictions, because we have good reasons 
for disliking them'.

- Steph


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