Newsgroups: php.internals,php.pdo Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:35476 php.pdo:130 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 41426 invoked by uid 1010); 14 Feb 2008 02:31:05 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 41393 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 02:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 02:31:04 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=christopher.jones@oracle.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=christopher.jones@oracle.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain oracle.com from 141.146.126.228 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: christopher.jones@oracle.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 141.146.126.228 agminet01.oracle.com Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from [141.146.126.228] ([141.146.126.228:63070] helo=agminet01.oracle.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7D/01-24174-3E7A3B74 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:31:01 -0500 Received: from agmgw1.us.oracle.com (agmgw1.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.212]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id m1E2UeAa013992; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:30:40 -0600 Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by agmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m1DGBPVk004187; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:30:39 -0700 Received: from dhcp-5op3-5op4-west-130-35-70-121.usdhcp.oraclecorp.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 7528351061202956215; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:30:15 -0800 Message-ID: <47B3A7B6.9020400@oracle.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:30:14 -0800 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre Joye CC: pdo@lists.php.net, PHP Internals References: <37388396.20080201212653@marcus-boerger.de> <47A395BA.9020707@daylessday.org> <47B39DF1.2000607@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE Subject: Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2 From: christopher.jones@oracle.com (Christopher Jones) Pierre Joye wrote: > Hi Chris, > > On Feb 14, 2008 2:48 AM, Christopher Jones wrote: >> >> Pierre Joye wrote: >> > The targets were these/this companies(y) pushing CLA in php.net when >> > it is not necessary to contribute. It has been proven already since >> > months on a nearly daily basis. >> > >> > For example: >> > http://blogs.oracle.com/opal/discuss/msgReader$268 >> >> My understanding is that because of its collaborative nature, >> contributing to PDO V2 has new and very different implications. > > You mean its collaborative and restrictive nature? No - its collaborative nature. > >> Arguments using past contributions to show the ad-hoc development >> model is feasible are (unfortunately) not tenable > > Again, please see my other posts. Since my last post, nothing has been > brought to the list to clarify the situation. Important questions like > who is asking a CLA That has already been stated. This is not an "us and them" situation since each party has different requirements. > who will contribute and what will be brought on board? That has also been stated: expertise and person-power. The fine points will depend on the community, a term that includes data access providers (I'm using that name since not all are actual "vendors"), and the model the community chooses to accept. > Why did they not take contact with us? We did. It just took a very long time. Think of it as a normal "is this idea possible" chat that took place in very, very, very slow motion. Chris -- Christopher Jones, Oracle Email: christopher.jones@oracle.com Tel: +1 650 506 8630 Blog: http://blogs.oracle.com/opal/ Free PHP Book: http://tinyurl.com/f8jad