Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:35332 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 32941 invoked by uid 1010); 8 Feb 2008 17:09:54 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 32926 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 17:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 17:09:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 85.10.196.195 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 85.10.196.195 serveforce1.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [85.10.196.195] ([85.10.196.195:46810] helo=serveforce1.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0F/07-04488-0EC8CA74 for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:09:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.55] (e178152161.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.178.152.161]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by serveforce1.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B907122480F; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:10:23 +0100 (CET) Cc: "Gregory Beaver" , "internals Mailing List" Message-ID: <79C82941-9932-43D8-8CF4-9758B294659E@pooteeweet.org> To: Pierre Joye In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:09:23 +0100 References: <47AC8597.4060009@chiaraquartet.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0, required 6) X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-From: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] magic_quotes and the question of BC From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On 08.02.2008, at 17:46, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Feb 8, 2008 5:38 PM, Gregory Beaver wrote: > >> Frankly, I don't see why there is any vote whatsoever. It's plain >> stupid to consider removing them when a fully backwards-compatible >> solution exists that has no performance penalty, no security penalty, >> and in fact no penalty at all. > > It is not plain stupid to remove something when the underlying > features do not exist. It is expected. > > Talking about BC in this case is a closed to be a complete non sense. > For two reasons: > > 1. If can't do that between two major versions, let define a rule: we > can't change _anything_ in PHP, no matter when (think: roll back all > these fatal errors) > 2. it is fixable in three lines (with braces). PEAR had much harder > issues already, you can document the upgrade process (upgrade pear > then php, make install will work if you include a full upgrading > solution in go-pear.phar, if it is not the case already) > > > Finally, I proposed a vote because we did vote about the _complete_ > removal of these features a while back. Back to this time, it was not > decided to keep them but to actually completely remove them. I thought > (and still think) that it was necessary (and it was necessary) to > bring this topic back to the list and to finally have a choice. That's > why this list exists and not whatever IRC channel somewhere on EFNet > :) Throw an E_DEPRECATED (means will be removed in the next major version) in PHP6 and return false for now. -1 regards, Lukas