Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:35234 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 71885 invoked by uid 1010); 6 Feb 2008 10:19:08 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 71870 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 10:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 10:19:08 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.198.189 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.198.189 rv-out-0910.google.com Received: from [209.85.198.189] ([209.85.198.189:19233] helo=rv-out-0910.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 79/9F-03555-84989A74 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:19:06 -0500 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k15so1790829rvb.23 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:17:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=lKsJa/U1RB+hodX69p6/qxPVf/lPrOTtme3r0lNu+B8=; b=JkNn9WMEV3ex7pW0+GnJshQL8rP7mfP52lBZrIiUs71EHvULwAqOJ2O2YFb4ptZrTTdCiIn/MLWQaEBK4Lqut1XMLnDvntl2EwfGAhcIiuGh5wzC4VItCUCvg1mz3iRBnOuP0rYfu+2n8a+tBjPULM0xBzffETfRzRJUzUZmiyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KUY8ISDGZ5zcPVePtpZ7+qyYQ09sF/CMKQrC5htUB0DnO9SFzHpUnVwmhS0oODRZR9ssqrf+1BVgfVIb+XxHH4FOGrAQ8H67HkMYO7iIgSLtt0eheOm7sBvoUkRS+PrHCeF19mkLMiJjfXhlnBd5Uxt1bH6eHvMoc7cpqlT7MFU= Received: by 10.141.37.8 with SMTP id p8mr6491313rvj.53.1202293059508; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:17:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.70.21 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 02:17:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:17:39 +0100 To: Marco Cc: "Steph Fox" , "Derick Rethans" , "Marcus Boerger" , internals In-Reply-To: <2fd662a00802060212v245b9645q2449735c0d660667@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <01c801c865d8$2e837e90$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> <14581063.20080203002104@marcus-boerger.de> <005201c8660f$66a2b160$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> <00f501c86743$e5122320$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> <2fd662a00802060057r51bdbb6dqd0b6c65133424618@mail.gmail.com> <005101c868a2$aaf235d0$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> <2fd662a00802060212v245b9645q2449735c0d660667@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Splitting the subject: the PECL/PHP relationship From: pierre.php@gmail.com ("Pierre Joye") On Feb 6, 2008 11:12 AM, Marco wrote: > > Well - that can't be entirely true or there'd be next to no MySQL support > > out there! > > > I knew that would come back and bite me on the ass as soon as I posted! :-) > > MySQL support is one of the noteable exceptions as its considered core to > web-hosts (In their eyes PHP and MySQL are one) other things are totally > different. > > I just think we make it needlessly difficult for people > > (including/especially hosts) to find their way around PECL at present. > > Maybe > > a better way to go would be to start distributing an 'A1 pack' (there has > > to > > be a better name) _before_ moving anything more out to it from the core > > distribution. At least that way there'd be the possibility of moving > > things > > out of core - at present if you do that you're just consigning extensions > > to > > oblivion. > > > I think one of the reasons hosts don't like / use PECL is trust, The main reason (from my experiences) for the ISP is lazynes. They don't care about what the users may need or not but simply run configure, make make install, or use the distribtutions default package to run common applications like phpmyadmin or wordpress. Cheers, -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org