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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Splitting the subject: the PECL/PHP relationship
From: markright@gmail.com (Marco)

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> Well - that can't be entirely true or there'd be next to no MySQL support
> out there!


I knew that would come back and bite me on the ass as soon as I posted! :-)

MySQL support is one of the noteable exceptions as its considered core to
web-hosts (In  their eyes PHP and MySQL are one) other things are totally
different.

I just think we make it needlessly difficult for people
> (including/especially hosts) to find their way around PECL at present.
> Maybe
> a better way to go would be to start distributing an 'A1 pack' (there has
> to
> be a better name) _before_ moving anything more out to it from the core
> distribution. At least that way there'd be the possibility of moving
> things
> out of core - at present if you do that you're just consigning extensions
> to
> oblivion.


I think one of the reasons hosts don't like / use PECL is trust, they trust
what comes with the PHP core packages and consider anything else a security
risk. Maybe a combination of better distribution, package details, stability
(beta / alpha) etc and maybe something that deals with compatibility. IE,
compatible with PHP 5.2.1 - 5.3.0 for example. Not sure how many of the
larger bulk hosting companies monitor these lists but maybe trying to foster
more enagement from the bulk hosters in their concerns etc could be useful?
Again these are just the experiences I have with the hosts i've had to deal
with whilst trying to develop an app that will run anywhere (not an easy
task I can tell you!).

Regards

Marco

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