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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:15:39 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Splitting the subject: the PECL/PHP relationship
From: pierre.php@gmail.com ("Pierre Joye")

Hi,

On Feb 3, 2008 9:45 PM, Marcus Boerger <helly@php.net> wrote:

>   same here. I proposed php-src with absolute minimum. And php-default as
> the release state. Where the RM has the last say in what goes in and what
> not.

He can decide alone if something is stable enough to get in but he
can't decide alone which features or extension is accepted or not. It
was never the case and will hopefully never be the case.

> The rest of the discussion is once again how easy it is to get more than the
> default distribution onto hosters machines. But a) I couldn't care less, b)
> it is absolutely a discussion on its own and can addressed somewhere and

With the risk to repeat myself (and some other having said the same),
the biggest advantage PHP has so far is that you get everything you
may need with the default install. That's also why so many ISP does
not provide anything else but what is enabled by default.

It is yet another major mistake to try to solve the maintainance
problem (or anything related to php extensions) without keeping this
point in mind. If you don't care about what our users do with PHP, I
miserably fail to see why we should listen your proposals.

Which better place do you have in mind to discuss how to improve the
way we distribute PHP and how to make the hosting companies and system
administrators life easier than on internals?

-- 
Pierre
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