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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Splitting the subject: the PECL/PHP relationship
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Steph,

  what I want is php-src as minimum you can depend on. And php-default as
release managers playground. The RM can then say what he thinks is mature
enough to make it into a release.

marcus

Saturday, February 2, 2008, 9:14:12 PM, you wrote:

> Hi all,

> Just so's Marcus and I don't have to keep cross-posting here... The problems
> of PECL vs core extensions are many, and exist with or without the PDO/CLA 
> debate.

> Marcus (among others) says he wants to get as many extensions as possible 
> out of the core and into PECL. I agree fully with this as a long-term aim, 
> but feel strongly that the PECL infrastructure is not equipped to support it
> well at present.

> 1) Distribution woes need to end. With the work Greg's been doing lately on 
> PHP_Archive/Phar, that's very close to being attainable now in the physical 
> 'getting PECL'd extensions out to people' sense, but unless people are 
> running CLI or CGI or have access to their own php.ini they still can't do 
> much with those extensions. So we have to seriously consider how to 
> recommend extensions to hosts, other than by shipping them with the PHP 
> core.

> 2) Maintenance status needs to be part of the equation.

> 3) Stability needs to be part of the equation.

> 4) Appropriateness to a given PHP branch needs to be part of the equation.

> 5) CS and documentation need to be part of the equation.

> Thoughts?

> - Steph 




Best regards,
 Marcus