Newsgroups: php.internals,php.pdo Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:35080 php.pdo:70 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 91721 invoked by uid 1010); 1 Feb 2008 22:10:30 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 91706 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 22:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 22:10:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=adam@trachtenberg.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=adam@trachtenberg.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain trachtenberg.com from 216.93.242.2 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: adam@trachtenberg.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 216.93.242.2 miranda.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [216.93.242.2] ([216.93.242.2:50540] helo=miranda.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EF/03-04011-5D893A74 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:10:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 30798 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 17:10:26 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (216.93.242.2) by miranda.org with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 17:10:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:10:26 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: adam@miranda.org To: Antony Dovgal cc: Marcus Boerger , pdo@lists.php.net, PHP Internals In-Reply-To: <47A395BA.9020707@daylessday.org> Message-ID: References: <37388396.20080201212653@marcus-boerger.de> <47A395BA.9020707@daylessday.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2 From: adam@trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg) On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Antony Dovgal wrote: > On 01.02.2008 23:26, Marcus Boerger wrote: > > Sorry for not writing this earlier. So how does this idea sound? > > It sounds quite bad. > > If you want to do something good for PHP - either respect its rules, or go away. > Changing the rules to fit your needs is not acceptable. I don't have a particular horse to back in this race, and I realize people are passionate on both sides, but can we please have a polite discussion on this topic? We change the rules all the time to fit the needs of PHP. This may not be one of those times, or this may not be the way to go, but I think the concept of having better support from database companies is one that at least deserves the benefit of a dialog. Clearly, there is an attempt from some people to listen to the vocal feedback on the original PDO CLA proposal and try to come up with an alternative. You may not still like it, which is totally your right, but it's not as if what he's saying is completely tone deaf to what's going on. Furthermore, I think Marcus has contributed enough to PHP that he does not deserve to hear that what would be good for PHP is for him to "go away." PDO opinions aside, I don't think any of us would actually think that would put PHP in a more healthy situation. Thanks. -adam -- adam@trachtenberg.com | http://www.trachtenberg.com author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook" avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today!