Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34914 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74871 invoked by uid 1010); 24 Jan 2008 01:50:28 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74856 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 01:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 01:50:27 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andrei@gravitonic.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andrei@gravitonic.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain gravitonic.com from 204.11.219.139 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andrei@gravitonic.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 204.11.219.139 mail.lerdorf.com Received: from [204.11.219.139] ([204.11.219.139:50319] helo=mail.lerdorf.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A2/11-17042-3EEE7974 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:50:27 -0500 Received: from Macintosh-3.local (206-15-64-202.static.twtelecom.net [206.15.64.202]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.lerdorf.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2) with ESMTP id m0O1oA1T010106; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:50:11 -0800 Message-ID: <4797EED2.3030203@gravitonic.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:50:10 -0800 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070807) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steph Fox CC: Rasmus Lerdorf , Chris Stockton , php-dev References: <4794AE48.20005@daylessday.org> <38791.98.193.37.55.1201055548.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <47979570.4010703@lerdorf.com> <4797E196.3090404@gravitonic.com> <007101c85e24$9adbaa60$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> <4797E3CE.50500@gravitonic.com> <008901c85e27$465c9ff0$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> <4797EAE2.2090501@gravitonic.com> <009701c85e2b$63c15b40$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> In-Reply-To: <009701c85e2b$63c15b40$c6fc1f3e@foxbox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/5532/Wed Jan 23 13:08:36 2008 on colo.lerdorf.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] why we must get rid of unicode.semantics switch ASAP From: andrei@gravitonic.com (Andrei Zmievski) Or people that worry too much about characters being bytes. -Andrei Steph Fox wrote: > Well maybe half the problem with this is that people aren't really aware > of what is or isn't the issue. As I (now) understand it, the only people > affected by Unicode support will be those currently using mbstring, is > that correct? > > - Steph > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrei Zmievski" > > To: "Steph Fox" > Cc: "Rasmus Lerdorf" ; "Chris Stockton" > ; "php-dev" > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 1:33 AM > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] why we must get rid of unicode.semantics switch ASAP > > >> Hey, I can't do everything. >> >> -Andrei >> >> Steph Fox wrote: >>> Right, and that's something that does NOT appear in any notes anywhere. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrei Zmievski" >>> >>> To: "Steph Fox" >>> Cc: "Rasmus Lerdorf" ; "Chris Stockton" >>> ; "php-dev" >>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 1:03 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] why we must get rid of unicode.semantics >>> switch ASAP >>> >>> >>>> Pass in "Hello World" where? And yes, you shouldn't have to do >>>> anything special (especially for English). The functions will work >>>> transparently. >>>> >>>> -Andrei >>>> >>>> Steph Fox wrote: >>>>> Hey Andrei, >>>>> >>>>> You can't just say that without giving full details. >>>>> >>>>> We've seen all your 'this will cope with Russian, Hebrew, Greek, >>>>> Japanese and Icelandic' demos. We haven't seen what happens to >>>>> English, French or German - ever. >>>>> >>>>> So what happens if I pass in "Hello World", in English, and it's >>>>> regarded as an an IS_UNICODE string? Would I know about it? Is >>>>> there anything special I should do? Or does it just happen as >>>>> always, and what-was-all-the-fuss-about? >>>>> >>>>> - Steph