Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34791 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 28668 invoked by uid 1010); 15 Jan 2008 20:41:02 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 28653 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 20:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 20:41:02 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smith@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smith@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 77.57.23.243 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smith@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 77.57.23.243 77-57-23-243.dclient.hispeed.ch Received: from [77.57.23.243] ([77.57.23.243:64907] helo=local.pooteeweet.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E1/50-13448-C5A1D874 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:41:02 -0500 Received: from local.pooteeweet.org (local.pooteeweet.org [127.0.0.1]) by local.pooteeweet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5D33A3571; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:35:38 +0100 (CET) Cc: "Stanislav Malyshev" , "PHP Developers Mailing List" Message-ID: To: Pierre In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:34:43 +0100 References: <478AB57E.9020902@zend.com> <478AC1E2.7040106@zend.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] voting From: smith@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:34 , Pierre wrote: > On Jan 14, 2008 2:58 AM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >>>> Voting to achieve what? >>> >>> Fair decisions in a simpler, effective and right manner (and not >>> discutable, ideally). >> >> I do not consider "fairness", whatever that could mean, having >> anything >> to do with technical decisions regarding PHP, neither I think >> counting >> votes is the process that allows to arrive to a decision best for >> PHP. > > There is many decisions that directly affect what users can do or not. > What I have to use daily or not. I do not need to know perfectly the > portion of the PHP sources to take a wise decision or choise. > > It is also a process to use when we fail to find a compromise. I still > strongly believe in our self discipline and control. We have some decisions that are mostly questions of taste that do not require specific expertise beyond being a trusted member of the community. The array syntax question imho is a good example of this. There are other decisions that should be approached differently. But the voting has traditionally been used in the project, only figuring out reliable results was needlessly hard. Because people did not participate (either because they did not know about the vote, because they thought that they have expressed their opinion before the person that tallied up the vote started the tally, because its impossible to figure out the background of the person voting etc.). regards, Lukas