Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34748 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 59413 invoked by uid 1010); 11 Jan 2008 19:11:35 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 59398 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 19:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 19:11:35 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=sam@sambarrow.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=sam@sambarrow.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain sambarrow.com from 205.234.132.11 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: sam@sambarrow.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 205.234.132.11 scottsdale.servershost.net Received: from [205.234.132.11] ([205.234.132.11:55099] helo=scottsdale.servershost.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 3C/AE-09267-76FB7874 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:35 -0500 Received: from [98.172.154.66] (port=2033 helo=[10.200.100.14]) by scottsdale.servershost.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JDPHy-0000vm-N4; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:11:35 -0600 To: Olivier Hill Cc: internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: References: <1200066425.7376.9.camel@johannes.nop> <1200075842.16083.44.camel@johannes.nop> <1200077257.12559.7.camel@sbarrow-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:09:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1200078545.12559.10.camel@sbarrow-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - scottsdale.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sambarrow.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SUMMARY: Array syntax From: sam@sambarrow.com (Sam Barrow) On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 14:06 -0500, Olivier Hill wrote: > On Jan 11, 2008 1:47 PM, Sam Barrow wrote: > > > > True. No one's vote is worth more than anyone else's, everybody should > > have equal say. Some people may know more about the PHP core, but we are > > all users and developers. > > Not when some write anything about everything without knowing anything > about nothing (makes sense?) True, however with something like this, it is simply a matter of opinion, not knowledge. [] and array() will have no functional differences. > > It is better to have input from people with a wide range of experience > > levels, it results in a fairer vote that actually represents the > > population, rather than putting PHP under the control of a select few. > > It is not under the control of anyone. The principle is: Contribute > and your voice will be louder. It's easy to have a CVS account, and > it's easy to fix some bugs and submit patches. That way, you prove > that your voice can count and that you at least know what you are > talking about (I'm not talking about you in particular, but any user > that wants to contribute and have a voting voice that counts) True > One way could be that votes from internal / phpdoc counts twice as > much as people that only leech this list. It's not controlling, but > being sure that future decision about the language are made > considering the opinions of people really knowing what's at stake. > Regards, > Olivier