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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:24:02 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SUMMARY: Array syntax
From: johannes@php.net (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=)

Hi Pierre,

On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 18:37 +0100, Pierre wrote:
> Yes, you forgot me. And restricting the right to vote to php-src only
> is respectless for all the documentation people.

Well, any restriction there is hard. I know hat the php-src karma is not
the best criteria. We have people with karma just for "housekeeping" and
others who contributed to discussions in a good way and certainly know
what they are taking about without karma. (no, this doesn't mean that
these "houskeepers" don't know what they are talking about, just to make
clear: php-src-karma is not the best criteria)  The general assumption I
made is that people with php-src karma who are voting spent more time
with the project and might be more experienced with the effect of
changes to the language than other people who maybe just yesterday found
this list. We don't have any stated criteria for such votes and I doubt
there's any good and fair one. 

An important factor for giving people with karma a bit more weight might
be that it are these who are going to maintain the change.
Non-developers don't care about the C code and fixing bug reports
related to them. But well, that doesn't count for all people with karma
of course...

Additionally: My conclusion wasn't made only on the php-src-karma
people. I also think that a difference from one is not a clear vote and
we need, imo, a clear vote/consensus if we want a big change to the
syntax.

But any vote won't be "fair". So the best thing would be some consensus
- but I see no way for reaching a consensus for a question which mainly
is a question of taste. Some people like their steaks medium, others
well-done and some don't like steaks at all. There's no way to convince
them - but endless discussions.



But well in my results I have a problem: For Rasmus's vote I've counted
a -1 while "as such this syntax is appropriate I think" has to be
counted as +1.


johannes