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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [PATCH] date/timelib: use system timezone database
From: seanius@debian.org (sean finney)

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hey pierre,

(removed some folks from the cc)

On Thursday 10 January 2008 11:22:52 am Pierre wrote:
> Besides the issues listed by Derick, there is two problems with these
> choices (distro making design changes to upstream software). First it

that's sort of the point of open-source software, though yes ideally the=20
changes (a) don't break or confuse things and (b) make their way "back=20
upstream", and (c) are acceptable by the author.  in this case there's some=
=20
concern about (a) and (c), but it seems joe has followed up with another=20
patch and i'd be interested to see if that changes anything.

> creates an uncontrollable gray area where you have to be lucky if your
> software works out of the box on a given distribution. PHP (and GD in

i think that's taking things a bit into hyperbole...

> particular) is a pain on Debian (btw, is the pollitics about libgd in
> debian finally gone? :( ). Please don't add the timezone to the list
> of troubles.

like you i gave up dealing with the debian libgd maintainer, but at least i=
t=20
looks like he's keeping up to date with the latest releases now.  would be=
=20
nice if he made an update to stable too....

> The 2nd problem are the ISPs and other sys admins. They keep outdated
> or customized systems on their systems. If distros start to use the
> system timezone, I'm sure we will see very old databases on many
> servers in a couple of years. That's an upcoming bomb. It is not
> directly the distributions fault, but this problem is particullary
> true for Debian users (IPS using debian). Debian being conservative,
> their users are even more conservative and reluctant to update their
> systems. The worst is that they even follow blindly your choices.

i think joe adequately addressed these points in a later mail, so i won't k=
ick=20
a dead horse :)


	sean

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