Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34655 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 52332 invoked by uid 1010); 10 Jan 2008 16:03:06 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 52316 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 16:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 16:03:06 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=marcot@tabini.ca; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=marcot@tabini.ca; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain tabini.ca from 206.190.36.81 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: marcot@tabini.ca X-Host-Fingerprint: 206.190.36.81 smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com Received: from [206.190.36.81] ([206.190.36.81:34864] helo=smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6F/B1-41364-6B146874 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:03:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 98267 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 16:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.1.199?) (mtabini@rogers.com@99.235.191.149 with plain) by smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 16:03:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nCecslcVM1lC0MsEW4cf_GNXfG5BJ9H3H.c6ozIlbVfIlJ8dmFrpZUfwJ1vUoD10MQ-- Cc: Ilia Alshanetsky , Derick Rethans , Gregory Beaver , internals Mailing List Message-ID: To: Lukas Kahwe Smith In-Reply-To: <2B0AC2C1-B41E-4644-A820-946FDF0322DC@pooteeweet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:02:59 -0500 References: <47618179.2080709@chiaraquartet.net> <1840D9AD-4FB0-4A2D-8F25-BBD746649EFD@prohost.org> <2B0AC2C1-B41E-4644-A820-946FDF0322DC@pooteeweet.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] no read-only, no moderation, just a simple self-enforced checklist From: marcot@tabini.ca (Marco Tabini) On 10-Jan-08, at 10:58 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > I know that PHP has so far stayed clear of processes and I am fine > with keeping it this way. But I really think that some of these > flames should best be taken off list into some work group that > provides summaries at semi regular intervals, so that internals > knows whats going on and people know if it makes sense for them to > join this discussion. > > Right now people keep posting in threads only because they are > afraid that silence means approval or because they missed part of > the discussion or because they have time to kill. Not to barge in, but I think the word you're thinking of is "governance," which unfortunately so many people confuse with bureaucracy. A good process streamlines without impeding, and personally I think internals could really use some help in that area. Mt.