Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34654 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 49938 invoked by uid 1010); 10 Jan 2008 15:58:39 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 49923 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 15:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 15:58:39 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 85.10.196.195 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 85.10.196.195 serveforce1.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [85.10.196.195] ([85.10.196.195:58590] helo=serveforce1.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A7/61-41364-DA046874 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:58:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.84.62] (office-zh.liip.ch [91.192.102.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by serveforce1.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233221224624; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:58:47 +0100 (CET) Cc: Derick Rethans , Gregory Beaver , internals Mailing List Message-ID: <2B0AC2C1-B41E-4644-A820-946FDF0322DC@pooteeweet.org> To: Ilia Alshanetsky In-Reply-To: <1840D9AD-4FB0-4A2D-8F25-BBD746649EFD@prohost.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:58:23 +0100 References: <47618179.2080709@chiaraquartet.net> <1840D9AD-4FB0-4A2D-8F25-BBD746649EFD@prohost.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0, required 6) X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-From: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] no read-only, no moderation, just a simple self-enforced checklist From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On Jan 10, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > > On 10-Jan-08, at 10:33 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Gregory Beaver wrote: >> >>> We don't need moderation, we don't need read-only. We need people >>> to >>> follow a simple common-sense checklist. >> >> It's either that nobody saw this mail, or chose to ignore it. >> Obviously, >> nothing changed and I'm getting sick and tired of all this crap on >> internals, so here once more: > > > +1 > > Lately the internals list has been a complete waste of time, with > little actually getting accomplished from endless discussions. I know that PHP has so far stayed clear of processes and I am fine with keeping it this way. But I really think that some of these flames should best be taken off list into some work group that provides summaries at semi regular intervals, so that internals knows whats going on and people know if it makes sense for them to join this discussion. Right now people keep posting in threads only because they are afraid that silence means approval or because they missed part of the discussion or because they have time to kill. regards, Lukas