Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34651 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 42471 invoked by uid 1010); 10 Jan 2008 15:48:30 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 42455 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 15:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 15:48:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.94.239.7 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.94.239.7 mail.jdi-ict.nl Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.94.239.7] ([82.94.239.7:53523] helo=mail.jdi-ict.nl) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 90/00-41364-A4E36874 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:48:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.jdi-ict.nl (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m0AFX6sd003176; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:33:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:33:08 +0100 (CET) X-X-Sender: derick@kossu.ez.no To: Gregory Beaver cc: internals Mailing List In-Reply-To: <47618179.2080709@chiaraquartet.net> Message-ID: References: <47618179.2080709@chiaraquartet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] no read-only, no moderation, just a simple self-enforced checklist From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Gregory Beaver wrote: > We don't need moderation, we don't need read-only. We need people to > follow a simple common-sense checklist. It's either that nobody saw this mail, or chose to ignore it. Obviously, nothing changed and I'm getting sick and tired of all this crap on internals, so here once more: > Before sending a message to > php-internals, ask these questions of yourself: > > 1) am I angry? yes => do not send your message, do not pass go, do not > collect $200. Wait until tomorrow. > 2) do I need help developing C code for the core, understanding how to > track down a bug, reminding about a forgotten/ignored bug, or writing > tests? yes => send your message and be graceful, no => goto #3 > 3) do I know what I'm talking about? no => do more research and write > later, yes => goto #4 > 4) why should my opinion matter to anyone else? not sure => investigate > other people's opinions on the matter, potentially off-list or on irc > for new perspectives first, sure => goto #5 > 5) for new features, do I have a patch? yes => send message, no => goto #6 > 6) do I have a specific suggestion for changing the conception of how a > feature is implemented? yes => goto #7, no => delete your message and do > more research > 7) have I made it this far? yes => send your message :) > > A monthly auto-mailing of this checklist to internals@ for newbies would > also be a good way to remind us old farts to be decent citizens. PHP > could also use a clearly defined leader who can shut down acidic debate > or a flame war before it gets out of hand, the RM for the > soon-to-be-released version might be a good candidate since most > discussion should (in theory) be about that code. > > Greg > > -- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl | http://ezcomponents.org | http://xdebug.org