Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34639 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 95393 invoked by uid 1010); 10 Jan 2008 13:52:52 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 95378 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 13:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 13:52:52 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 85.10.196.195 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 85.10.196.195 serveforce1.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [85.10.196.195] ([85.10.196.195:33948] helo=serveforce1.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 94/B3-59671-F2326874 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:52:48 -0500 Received: from [192.168.84.62] (office-zh.liip.ch [91.192.102.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by serveforce1.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9551224B61; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:52:57 +0100 (CET) Cc: Derick Rethans , PHP Developers Mailing List Message-ID: To: Joe Orton In-Reply-To: <20080110120535.GA27518@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:52:35 +0100 References: <20080109141541.GA14571@redhat.com> <20080110120535.GA27518@redhat.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0, required 6) X-backendmedia-com-MailScanner-From: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [PATCH] date/timelib: use system timezone database From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On Jan 10, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Joe Orton wrote: > > I'm not sure I find the logic of the "but the system-provided data > will > become stale" arguments convincing; systems which are left > unmaintained > by the administrators will have old versions of software on; that's a > given. I can't see why adding *more* packages (PECL timezonedb) which > those admins have to keep up-to-date will make any difference to that. I think the point is not so much that the system provided one will become stale, but more that it impossible to write portable applications when relying on the system provided one. regards, Lukas