Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34020 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 69392 invoked by uid 1010); 13 Dec 2007 16:44:59 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 69376 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 16:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 16:44:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=jochem@iamjochem.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=jochem@iamjochem.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain iamjochem.com from 194.109.193.121 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: jochem@iamjochem.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 194.109.193.121 mx1.moulin.nl Linux 2.6 Received: from [194.109.193.121] ([194.109.193.121:47879] helo=mx1.moulin.nl) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EC/56-10047-88161674 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:44:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.moulin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A496279800; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:44:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at moulin.nl Received: from mx1.moulin.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.moulin.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HdKLBxOwZLWV; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:44:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.24] (bspr.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.228]) by mx1.moulin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C47B27895A; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:44:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4761617F.8040903@iamjochem.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:44:47 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RQuadling@GoogleMail.com CC: jani.taskinen@iki.fi, Derick Rethans , internals Mailing List References: <475F1984.603@chiaraquartet.net> <1197450581.27917.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4760227D.9050404@zend.com> <1197551283.27917.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47613566.5070609@iamjochem.com> <10845a340712130750k2bedde88laa71b45cd7c6088e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <10845a340712130750k2bedde88laa71b45cd7c6088e@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals read-only From: jochem@iamjochem.com (Jochem Maas) Richard Quadling wrote: > On 13/12/2007, Jochem Maas wrote: >> 1. most people reading the internals list already subscribed to general >> 2. general is in no way suitable for the kind of discussion currently >> occuring on internals - the difference between internals and general is akin >> to the difference between fine art and drawing with crayons. > > I'm SURE you are not implying that those that use the PHP language > (rather than the developers of the PHP language) are some how more > infantile and can only use crayons rather than wielding the fine > brushes that create the art of the language itself? no not at all, I was implying that the gross of the traffic on generals are questions related to problems people have with stuff like register_globals - aka full-on noobs, nothing wrong with that and actually I quite like to help most of them (as do a fairly small but very active group of experienced, well-armed phpers) ... it's just not the place to discussion the finer/complex details of php functionality implementations. imho. the crayon metaphor was actually an in-joke for the guys who are regulars on the generals list. > > I would say that we (those that write PHP code) are your clients and > as the client is __ALWAYS__ right, you should drop namespaces, add in this context I am the client - and I have been proven wrong many a time, even then I'd rather not have my voice taken away completely ... and you never know if I might one day say something useful. ;-)