Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34019 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 67637 invoked by uid 1010); 13 Dec 2007 16:40:12 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 67620 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 16:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 16:40:12 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tstarling@wikimedia.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tstarling@wikimedia.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain wikimedia.org from 66.111.4.27 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tstarling@wikimedia.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 66.111.4.27 out3.smtp.messagingengine.com Received: from [66.111.4.27] ([66.111.4.27:45415] helo=out3.smtp.messagingengine.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 09/06-10047-86061674 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:40:11 -0500 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57E37A65F for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:40:04 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: PsCcAYG2L9iADP4y3L/CqQoDWyFOVQWwqAWLyXtYUOTf 1197564003 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (CPE-121-209-184-73.nsw.bigpond.net.au [121.209.184.73]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD16322D13 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:40:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47616068.3090900@wikimedia.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:40:08 +1100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals Mailing List References: <475F1984.603@chiaraquartet.net> <1197450581.27917.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4760227D.9050404@zend.com> <1197551283.27917.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47613566.5070609@iamjochem.com> <10845a340712130750k2bedde88laa71b45cd7c6088e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals read-only From: tstarling@wikimedia.org (Tim Starling) Olivier Hill wrote: > Why not just letting people with @php.net accounts post to the list as > well as people having the Zend Certification. > > That would push the certification incentives to a new high. So you > either contribute or pay to write emails here :) > > Olivier > btw: I'm joking, but yes, Jani is right on the SNR. Just don't know > the right way to fix this. > > Just ignore it and get on with your work. That's the attitude I take with my own project mailing lists. Threading helps, then you can ignore replies to a non-interesting post. Make announcements when you've done something significant. Discuss design decisions in private, say by IM, with individuals or small groups who you know to be competent in the specific area of interest. It's not a cabal, it's a do-ocracy. The rabble doesn't make the decisions, because they don't write the code. Public mailing lists are a pain, but they're a necessary pain. They help to attract developers from the user community. They support juniors and small-scale developers who ask simple questions and get help from others who are on a similar level of competency. And they help to keep the user community informed about upcoming changes. I'm not aware of any better system. -- Tim Starling P.S.: Reply-To header munging is good too.