Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34013 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 45592 invoked by uid 1010); 13 Dec 2007 15:54:46 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 45577 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 15:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 15:54:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=olivier.hill@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=olivier.hill@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.134.189 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: olivier.hill@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.134.189 mu-out-0910.google.com Received: from [209.85.134.189] ([209.85.134.189:17469] helo=mu-out-0910.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 30/C2-10047-4C551674 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:54:44 -0500 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w8so1087351mue.7 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:54:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=iFSp+J6uVa+f0cl4tIG+6uviDFTM+dkiqwlibpyWxVs=; b=aQ2F5Rbn0CACLp/xDQH6qkBhmlraMZXjw9E/DTMI6a9MKxkJqWIO7Gj2CItxWF8tkE2XdkPTni+XOn5klsuMIP89lGcam38P95LGdOsa0B83q9dudDX4ay0YAtqa0dHeqOtppStpPWakDt/KqgBgX/hRc5te/hLKi9xtCNQwMss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=rFXFet+snyusPFM5E1Ya9nwwQ9pV775gbJiSQ6CngQ0U9QZjaNY1Da9nEwynPq8GY711x0DQuUB2QkM/u+3G8sZxIZ/pDywHGC6xvY0vXhNocbF9AKcFIQEA3cCqXdhNiv6Gq0TQQZDoek1tYiTNZc4HE6KeA2ToOjxe6Frbl7g= Received: by 10.82.167.5 with SMTP id p5mr5733680bue.2.1197561280716; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.187.12 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:54:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:54:40 -0500 Sender: olivier.hill@gmail.com To: RQuadling@googlemail.com Cc: "Jochem Maas" , jani.taskinen@iki.fi, "Derick Rethans" , "internals Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <10845a340712130750k2bedde88laa71b45cd7c6088e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <475F1984.603@chiaraquartet.net> <1197450581.27917.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4760227D.9050404@zend.com> <1197551283.27917.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47613566.5070609@iamjochem.com> <10845a340712130750k2bedde88laa71b45cd7c6088e@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 962ee22fccafb4c8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals read-only From: ohill@php.net ("Olivier Hill") Why not just letting people with @php.net accounts post to the list as well as people having the Zend Certification. That would push the certification incentives to a new high. So you either contribute or pay to write emails here :) Olivier btw: I'm joking, but yes, Jani is right on the SNR. Just don't know the right way to fix this. On Dec 13, 2007 10:50 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: > On 13/12/2007, Jochem Maas wrote: > > 1. most people reading the internals list already subscribed to general > > 2. general is in no way suitable for the kind of discussion currently > > occuring on internals - the difference between internals and general is akin > > to the difference between fine art and drawing with crayons. > > I'm SURE you are not implying that those that use the PHP language > (rather than the developers of the PHP language) are some how more > infantile and can only use crayons rather than wielding the fine > brushes that create the art of the language itself? > > I would say that we (those that write PHP code) are your clients and > as the client is __ALWAYS__ right, you should drop namespaces, add > discrete setters and getters to provide accessibility to class > properties and add 2 "" to the CreateProcess calls in the core to fix > to an old issue with the windows command line intepreter. > > Then, we would have some progress. > > ;-{}}} > > > >