Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34012 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43341 invoked by uid 1010); 13 Dec 2007 15:50:54 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43326 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 15:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 15:50:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rquadling@googlemail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rquadling@googlemail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain googlemail.com designates 64.233.162.227 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rquadling@googlemail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.233.162.227 nz-out-0506.google.com Received: from [64.233.162.227] ([64.233.162.227:34924] helo=nz-out-0506.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id DE/62-10047-CD451674 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:54 -0500 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id x7so375037nzc.38 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:50:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=SN4mXx4jYLHaBVDtaUsdncIOH2eRYWPCTFKmdnBakbk=; b=bsn0XeZ1jbYTe06tJzAn8UMuHuCJq3Lg95EvDBDqDC4pR6Od387noyX2lHFUa4fEPpiMnK2bzlvhJ9HzEZVVWSeiCUHffqJ3Gkf8QgzOyhbjHENkXVF15Jl6468BOcOVlBP1PI0ere5NByqog3mwbeBxQwtmXgHK2uoOfC9i+YA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YfLG74enByVPq9g0k9hJEZ0+nTZR1DwQ5isUV07H5JhxWokpsZ6mawsuvWERIGZZDc8sxgWWqHcvFZ1N1czBy2wU0W5+FFxcALHKbjhvRMO1h/IF6Tl3+Oun/Gcr+NwZ7QpvAI54lilnTHP4vmHdNtZQ3MSe65i6QGPEeX4U7zA= Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr2407162wae.76.1197561049306; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.210.8 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:50:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <10845a340712130750k2bedde88laa71b45cd7c6088e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:50:49 +0000 Reply-To: RQuadling@GoogleMail.com To: "Jochem Maas" Cc: jani.taskinen@iki.fi, "Derick Rethans" , "internals Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <47613566.5070609@iamjochem.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <475F1984.603@chiaraquartet.net> <1197450581.27917.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4760227D.9050404@zend.com> <1197551283.27917.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47613566.5070609@iamjochem.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals read-only From: rquadling@googlemail.com ("Richard Quadling") On 13/12/2007, Jochem Maas wrote: > 1. most people reading the internals list already subscribed to general > 2. general is in no way suitable for the kind of discussion currently > occuring on internals - the difference between internals and general is akin > to the difference between fine art and drawing with crayons. I'm SURE you are not implying that those that use the PHP language (rather than the developers of the PHP language) are some how more infantile and can only use crayons rather than wielding the fine brushes that create the art of the language itself? I would say that we (those that write PHP code) are your clients and as the client is __ALWAYS__ right, you should drop namespaces, add discrete setters and getters to provide accessibility to class properties and add 2 "" to the CreateProcess calls in the core to fix to an old issue with the windows command line intepreter. Then, we would have some progress. ;-{}}} -- ----- Richard Quadling Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"